Are You Setting Yourself on Fire to Keep Others Warm?

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Hello, we're coming back at you with another episode of When Spirit Calls. And I am particularly excited about our guest today because I have some family members who have diabetes. So let me tell you all about Dr. Jelina Shah. Dr. Jelina Shah is a clinical pharmacist and holistic diabetes health coach for people with type two diabetes or pre diabetes, and she has over 15 years of healthcare experience. Jolina approaches diabetes differently. Not only did she address the medications and the health risks associated with diabetes, but she also focuses on the root causes by attending to the emotional and mental aspects of the disease. She has helped hundreds of patients sustained lower blood sugar levels lose weight and take fewer medications, so they can live their happiest healthiest lives. And if you're interested in controlling or even reversing your diabetes holistically, please reach out to Dr. Jelina Shah, we have her email and her website. They're posted in the show notes for you. So please join me in welcoming Dr. Shah to our When Spirit Calls podcast today.

Oh, hello, everybody. And welcome back to When Spirit Calls. As per usual, I'm always super excited about my guests. And I intend to not know much about them before we get together because I love to learn as we go. And I often find that there's such brilliant pieces of knowledge and wisdom that come in that process. So we have the lovely Jolina Shaw here, as you've learned in the bio there. And first of all, welcome. I'm so happy we got connected.

I am divine timing is all I've got to say to that apparently calling us Yes, ma'am.

Yeah, you know, it's so neat, because you know, you and I got together kind of with a different intention.

Yes.

And then as you're sharing your a little bit about yourself with me, I'm like, Oh my God, you would be such a perfect fit for when Spirit calls. We better get you on here. So I love how the universe always brings divine beings this way so that we can share our message and get our story out there. So speaking of the story, why don't you just get us right into things and share with our audience a little bit about your backstory and what you are up to these days.

Ah, Isn't that brilliant? I love that you said that. And I'm gonna pause there just to kind of, you know, go back on some of the points that you made. And I think it's really important. You said that, you know, your outer reflection wasn't accurate, based on what you felt inside. Yeah. And a lot of us feel that way. Sometimes we feel, you know, I look at myself, and I think I'm so young, I'm so young. I know that I'm not as young as I used to be. And I was talking to my parents the other day, and they're like, Oh, it doesn't go away. And like, we still feel like we're in our 20s and they're in there pushing 70. Okay, and but but here's the interesting thing about that, though, there is an opportunity for us to come into alignment. And what you were saying is a little bit different than what I just described, because it was more about like, you feel like this human being that has the capacity to do all these things. But yet your physical appearance wasn't at all what you wanted it to be. It wasn't in alignment with who you were 100% and that's, that's tied in that's connected to our mindset to in a lot of ways.

Yes. You knew, yeah. Physically, it wasn't in alignment, but also emotionally and mentally. It wasn't in alignment, you nothing was aligned. Like this is where I feel like Why was suffering so much I felt like such a victim of circumstance over and over and over again, even though I I know that I contributed to my, you know, being 65 pounds heavier, I knew what I was doing was wrong. I know that broccoli is healthier than cupcakes, you know, it's not like I didn't know that. But it's, it was also just trying to ease my emotional. You know, I didn't know how to deal with my feelings. I didn't know how to soothe myself. I was I didn't know how to deal with all the discontentment that was residing in me and I didn't know how to fix it. Right. And in so in the process of trying to change my physical body. I ended up what really happened was it was all the emotional stuff that actually changed and then what manifested was a physical rep, representation of that.

Yes, of course. You know, I talk a lot of times with a lot of my clients who are struggling with weight because oftentimes they're carrying stuff that isn't even theirs. So you know, we have been conditioned especially in our parents generations, it has been okay you you pour into people and you carry everyone's stuff like you carry the worry of your children you carry you carry you carry because that's helping in some way. But, there's a saying that I have and it is you can care without carrying.

Yes.

That has become such a mantra for me because I realized to how I was carrying energetically, and you know, based on your own experience, so you know that if you carry energetically, whether it's your own emotions, whether it's other people's emotions doesn't matter, it's that we carry and then we stuffed them away, not allowing them to be released. And of course, it's going to manifest physically, whether it's a weight gain or cancer, or whatever it might be, yes, and manifest into something. And so I love that you're bringing this to the surface, because most often when we start to peel back the layers, we start to begin to see this opportunity of really getting to the root cause. I feel like that's, that's where you really step in?

Yes, that's exactly. And to your point, I had a life coach told me, she said, Why do you keep lighting yourself on fire to keep everyone around you warm woowoo. And that hit in a different way? Because that's exactly when we carry the weight of everything. It's lighting ourselves on fire, we are doing ourselves all the harm to keep everyone warm around us. And that, that hit me in such a way that, you know, I was like, Oh, my goodness, like, yeah, that's, that's, that's not the way I want to live my life. So yeah, to that, I totally, I agree. And I think it's like, we also know that we carry our issues in our tissues, you know, how we know that scientifically, we are, you know, that stress is held in our body. And it does manifest as in pain, or depression, or it might show up as diabetes or cancer or weight. And, you know, we're holding on to these things. So it's so important. It's like you said, to get to the root cause. And that's why when I work with people, they're like, Well, you know, it's so personalized, what I do, you know, I want to look at your personal obstacles and your personal struggles.

Yes, I think I think that's so important. And I love that, you know, why are you setting yourself on fire to keep others warm? And there's a bit of that, that martyr energy, right, like this self sacrifice, like, you know, go, go, go until I have nothing left, and then I'll rest and then I'll do it all over again, you know, and that's been a cycle for me in my life. And I've watched Pete person after person do the same thing. And I really do believe that there. It requires some deprogramming if you will, right? Um, yeah, learning unlearning from our generations, for our ancestors, you know that that is the way that we survive, because that's not a way to live. And in fact, we, what we don't realize is that we we are, we're shooting ourselves in the foot, or we're lighting ourselves on fire to keep others warm, we don't realize the damage that does to us. And also the damage it does in showing our children, that that's okay. And so I want to really bring that to the surface, because I think it's time that we changed that, it's time for us to understand that we cannot, you know, continue to go on this way and expect to live long, healthy and happy lives. We need to unpack all the shit. All the stuff that is not serving us that we haven't dealt with. Yeah, can be a bit of an uncomfortable process. Like, you know, you were going through a major transition. And it probably sucked in the moment, you probably suffered a bit in the moment. But boy, are you are you so happy now as a result of that. I bet you are

This is the happiest I've ever been. And I am no stranger to suffering. Like, let me tell you, whether it caused it myself or circumstances or whatever, I am no stranger to suffering. And, and yes, I am a lot happier on the other side of it. But the problem is, is a lot of us, myself included, don't know that there's something on the other side of suffering. We see we we do everything we can do to avoid the suffering not realizing that we're actually prolonging it. Yes, you know, and that's, that's the thing I kind of liken it to. It's like, okay, like you picture a little bug. And there's a light shining on the bug and you know, the the shadow is so big, and it's like your back is turned, you know, you it looks like there's this huge shadow over you. And it's not until you turn around and you see that there's this little it's just a little bug in a light. Yeah. But there's that moment where your suffering and your fear is probably the highest. It's that moment that you're turning around.

Yes.

And I will tell you, I've started to learn that it's getting so much easier to turn around to have that momentary moment like a bandaid where it is it's just super painful. But it's a lot quicker to deal with that rather than from running from a shadow where my back's always turned.

Yeah. And living in that fear state. And, you know, I believe that this is this is a big shift that I'm noticing in all of humanity, where people are starting to take their power back and recognize, hey, wait a second. Maybe As resisting this, this suffering is actually prolonging it, versus allowing yourself to move through it to look at it to hold space for whatever is coming to love, whatever it is that's coming for you because it's coming to show you something, right? I don't have all the pieces of the puzzle, but yet we are so quick to say, Oh, this is bad. Well, what if there's so much more to this story?

Yes. I mean, here's the problem that I think there's we have a difficult time surrendering because we are told by social media, the media, like just in general, we are conditioned, you're supposed to be happy and excited, and joyful, like 80 to 90% of the time, at least, that is not the truth. Right? The truth is, we are human beings with an entire, like spectrum of emotions, that range anywhere from being scared to being courageous to being confident to being insecure, and we will cycle through all of them at different times at different needs. And we have to make it okay, that if 50% of the time we're not okay, that we hold space for that, like what you were saying, we've got that what needs to be normalized is that there are times where you're not going to be okay. And that's actually normal.

And it's actually okay, that you're not okay.

Yeah.

Right. Like, it's coming to that place of recognizing that, like, we all go through it. And we see this all the time in a spiritual world to spiritual hijacking. You know, like, oh, no, I'm, I'm good, I got this, like positive thinking, overload or whatever that is. And so then we're not, we're not allowing that energy to move through us to do what it needs to do. It's there to show us and to teach us and to grow us if we let it. You know, I also compare it to, you know, a child because of course, I've got children who are young still, and you know, a child tugging on their mom or dad, and they're saying, Mom, mom, mom, and then they get louder and louder. And then they're climbing on their parents, they Mom, I'm right here. This is what our emotions do.

Yeah.

And so they keep poking at us and keep poking at us. And we wonder why am I going through this again? Or Why yes, again, it's like, okay, we might need to look at this a little more closely here, see what really is going on underneath. And like you said, it's oftentimes once you start looking, it's a tiny bug. It's not this big monster, it's actually a lot smaller than we think. And once we are aware of it, oh my god, it's like magic. It's like we've our lives that energy and that emotion becomes gratitude or appreciation instead of anger, resentment, whatever else it might have been so rare, magic that can take place if we all ourselves that minute.

100%. Like we you know, I think of my shadow selves as like the, I don't know, like those horror movies like the kids under the stairs. Like I think that shadow side of myself is like little kid and and I keep going into the basement to make sure that that person is still there, because I was like, Are you still there? Yeah, okay, I don't like that part of me. So I'm gonna go ahead and shut the door again, and come upstairs.

Sure you're still there?

Yeah, exactly. But the problem is with, with that version of me that's living under the stairs is it cannot help itself, but to come up.

Right.

And it's it is like, you're gonna have to open the front door, tell it to take a seat, tell it offer it some tea and sit there for a minute. Mm hmm. You know, and that's, those are the things that I have to that I'm working on, like, that I've been working through is like, Okay, well, you know, I don't I don't like this other version of me. I don't like when I show up this way. But what's happening underneath that, like, what's the story? Behind all of that? What's the narrative that's coming? And, you know, and then in giving that side of me compassion? Yeah, I mean, that side of me some understanding, because when I think about the story, which is like, I'm not enough, or I'm alone, and I think about okay, well, that that's not 41 Year version of me, that's that's, like, five year old version of me. You know, who's pretending to be the shot? And I'm like, why am I scared of a five year old? Like?

You sweet, innocent?

Yeah. Yeah.

Again, like you said, you went, you talked about conditioning. And you know, we've we've conditioned ourselves, the, you know, the programming, our parents, the schools, everything is conditioned, in a certain way. And we're not pointing blame here. But what we can become aware of is that there's a lot of untruths that show up in our history. And, and if we can start to recognize that there's some untruths in there, that these stories aren't real, that these stories maybe are made up that there's some lies involved in those stories. Then we start to again, we move ourselves into this really powerful position. And I think, I think that's what we're inviting. and people to do now. And that's why people like you are so important because you're stepping into that truth, and continuing to still uncover deeper truths at the same time. But you're allowing people to come and say, oh, there's not something wrong with me. Let's just look at some of these other layers to see what really is going on here. And I think, you know, we get caught up in the guilt and shame, you know, guilt and shame, like, Okay, I'm not perfectly healthy, okay, I've got some addictions, okay. I like food. Okay, I'm using that as a coping mechanism. And, and we and we then sit in that cesspool, which isn't helping us either. And so the way that I see you is actually this beacon of light pulling people out of the dark hole to say, no, no, it doesn't have to be that way. And, you know, we can understand our guilt and shame and a whole different way, when we've got somebody like you in the corner saying, wait a second.

Thank you. Yeah, I, you know, someone said this to me. And I think this is so true. It's like holding a vision of someone's health and happiness until they're able to hold it for themselves. I can hold that for you. Until you are ready to be on your feet. You know, I and I'm doing this for my own experience. I had to have someone hold that for me. Yeah. You know, when I was in I did, I went to Bali, because during this time of transition, you know, I did like an Eat Pray Love thing. Yeah.

Yeah.

I went to Bali to do this yoga teacher training. I had left my job of nine years. And I went there. And I traveled all alone, which is the first time I've done anything like that. And we had a day of doing handstands. So I'm with the same group of people were two weeks into this program. And we're learning how to do handstands, we get partnered up and my foot slips while I'm holding up. Somebody's doing a handstand, the yoga mat slips and poor thing. She falls and she hits her head. She's crying because she hit her head. And she's upset, which is understandable. And, you know, I remember in that moment, I was like, Who, though? Do you think you are? Why are you think you're here? Why do you deserve to be here? Who are you to be here? See, this is exactly why you shouldn't be here. You better not cry. She's the one who deserves to cry because she's actually got hurt. You shouldn't be standing here crying, feeling sorry for yourself, what are you doing? And I remember you had to go run and get her ice. And I was so mean, I was so mean to myself, I was bracing myself. And I come back and I give her the ice and the classes over. Oh, this makes me emotional. And someone came up to me. And they're like, Well, you know, how are you? And I was like, I'm fine. I'm like, You shouldn't be worried about me. And then there's only 12 of us in the class. And I remember like, nine of them came up to me, including the girl whose forehead on her head were dropped. And she said to me, she said, I'm gonna need you to forgive yourself, because I've already forgiven you. And to that, I was like, I hadn't even known these people existed two weeks prior to that. And they had more compassion for me than I did. And I had known myself my entire life. And that's what he talked about when you have a group of people that can hold you up, or anyone to hold you up when you can't do it yourself.

No, I I'm tearing up to because

It was such a big moment.

Such a big moment. And I give props to those people in your crew that recognize that you were struggling. And you were beating yourself up, even though you were like, No, I'm fine.

Yeah.

Good for them. And how many of us can't have that compassion for ourselves? I believe if we really want to create a compassionate world, we better start having compassion for ourselves.

That's it has to start there has to it has to how can you have the capacity to have that for someone else when you don't have it for even yourself? Because let me tell you, when you put the standards for yourself so high, it's hard for me to believe that you don't, that doesn't get projected on to other people eat. Right, you know, and as I started to soften to myself, let me tell you, I started just softened to other people. As I started to heal myself, I had a better understanding of what other people were going through. Like, it was so funny to me, because I felt like I never like I always felt so misunderstood. But when I took the time to understand myself, it's so funny because then I felt like the world around me changed. It was like magic because then people started to understand me too. It's like he's Yeah.

Oh, it's so brilliant. Okay, so you know, now you're helping you know people who have diabetes and are struggling with this. It's kind of come full circle for you. And I'd love to know you know what, or so that what you just share it with really a moment when spirit called you, you know, there's no doubt that spirit was involved in that process of recognizing, oh my god, like I'm beating myself up here and how can I have compassion for others if I can't have it for myself? So that in in essence was an Aha. But what was it for you that said, I need to help people with diabetes? I know your dad had it. But yes, a moment there. And I want to know, what was that moment where you're just like, Oh, my God, this is it?

I think it was. So you know, I kind of fell into this job of helping people with diabetes. I help people with diabetes prior to this. But my last job, it was nothing but people with really uncontrolled diabetes. And I remember thinking, you know, I was doing my pharmacist thing, because it really just wanted to talk about the drugs like just, you know, dose the insulin. And I was like, you know, I've lost all this weight, I wonder if any of these little tidbits I have will help. And I started to feed this information to us, particularly this one woman. And she was like, eating up the information. She's like, give me more and she was coming back week after week. With her mood improved, I was like, this woman feels like she's transforming like who she was like week before. Let me tell you, by the end of this, she was uncontrolled. She went down to almost pre diabetic levels, in two to three months, had lost between like a little over 30 pounds, and was doing three mile hikes, she was doing none of this before. And for me, and for the wait, like, she started crying when she was on the phone with me, I was crying. But also there was a translator, that translator was crying like we it was just such a big moment. I'm a crier, guys. I would say I'm sorry, but I'm not gonna apologize. It's just who I am. But it is, it was such a big moment for me to see that the work here is that maybe conventional medicine is approaching this all wrong. And maybe there is something to be said that we need to address all parts of us. All parts of us. There's social, the psychological, the mental, and not just the biological aspect. Because when we start treating people as like full people, it was like a light bulb went on. I was like, Oh my gosh, like, everyone, I would want to feel that way too. I want to I want to feel like I'm held and appreciated and a person and not a number. And I was like, Wow, if I treat people this way, let's see what happens. And then I just started doing it. And let me tell you the amount of people that left that program, it like they were just different people by the time it was over in such the most beautiful way to bear witness to something like that. It's a gift. Yeah, that the universe has has allowed me to be a part of so whatever I can do to get that feeling. It's kind of like that's my new drug addiction guys. Like bearing witness to these other people's journey?

Isn't that the best? Oh, my gosh, it is so fulfilling. And you know, it's so wonderful that you had the validation that you were on the right track, and that that woman showed up for you. Because really what a gift in itself to say, hey, there's so much more to this. Yeah, there's a way to think outside of this that's going to help people in a whole different way. How? So, you know, Dr. Shah, there's obviously you've got some golden nuggets, experience. And I know, we went on a couple tangents today, which, you know, is glorious and wonderful. If you had a couple of takeaways for people who maybe they're maybe they're struggling with their health, maybe it's mental, maybe it's physical, what are some things that that you might want to share that could help to, you know, turn the page for them or switch the dial a little bit?

Right spiritually by four. Yeah, yes. But oftentimes you're right. It's just a little niggle. It's a little poking.

Yeah. Yeah.

It can be hard to see.

Yeah. is it's easy to ignore?

Yes.

So easy to ignore that moment where it's like, you know, this might be a good idea. Maybe you should give this a try. Or maybe this isn't the way it should be. And instead of ignoring it, because it is so much more convenient to ignore the nickel it is is so much more convenient. But inconvenience yourself a little bit.

Yeah.

And maybe listen and maybe think about like the what if about it get imaginative with the word if you think that that to me is like that's where all the possibilities open? Because mine was like, what if I go ahead and move to California? You know, what, what if I take this job working with people with diabetes? What if I quit this job that I hate? open my own business? Yeah, what he knew. And let me tell you, yes, there's always a possibility that things may not go the way that we expected. But there's also like, could be bad, but it could be great. Like, we always go like in a production mode, like, oh, it's kind of be terrible. But what if it could be better than you expected?

Right? What if it could be so much more? I love that. I love that. You know, it's really interesting. You mentioned like, yeah, those little pokes those little niggles? You know, it can be inconvenient. And I think that is that's important to bring to the surface. Because I think a lot of times we're like, oh, no, that's, I've been doing it this way. So I should just keep doing this, you know? And the more that we push back on that the louder that poking will get them. Yes, until it shows up physically. And yes, you get the spiritual to buy for, right, yes, but what if we didn't have to get the spiritual to buy for?

How much suffering? Would you save yourself?

Right? That's exactly it. High suffering, would you save yourself.

It's also like, I liken it also a big metaphor, person, but I liken it to like, being in the ocean. And if you fight against the current you resist, and you fight against how tired your arms get, what happens when you just let go and let the current take you. Yeah, you know, sometimes we got to stop fighting against the current sometimes we just got to, and I'm not saying lie down and surrender, don't do anything with your life. But sometimes it's better to accept where things are and see like, like, kind of just kind of get in there.

Yeah, I agree. I agree. Be that let that water flow, you know.

Yeah.

And allow yourself to just see what what it brings. You know, I'm a big advocate for curiosity. Right. And I think that's really what you're saying, What if you use your imagination, curious about what the possibilities could be instead of resisting? Whatever it is, that is, you know, showing up for you is showing up for a reason, right? Yes. And it's that resistance, that resistance is what causes the exhaustion and the depression and all of those

suffering? Yep.

Yeah. Yeah, you you know it. I feel like we could like talk forever about this. I love that advice. You know, what if, what if, what if, and you're right, in that we are conditioned to look for the bad stuff, you know, we think back to our caveman times, you know, it was like, where the predators were the, you know, were the hazards. That was what we're conditioned. It's part of our nature to look yes, hazards. However, over time, our ego minds have lost its way yes, no, or their way. And, you know, I've got a friend calls her itty bitty shitty committee and other friend calls his doors and like, why is it a male name? She's like, it's definitely a male.

Masculine energy. Yeah.

In her mind, for sure. Right. And so, but we have these aspects of ourselves that we don't have to let them run the show. And I think that's part of your work is showing people that it's not extrinsic of you. And it's also not your fear center, your ego aspect of your mind your logical mind that you can actually override that. And yes, actually build relationship with that ego aspect to put it in its place, so that it's not keeping you in the cesspool of fear or guilt or shame or whatever it is that's keeping you

I would say even make friends with it.

Yes. Exactly. It Yes.

Here to protect you it.

It is.

I think they're everything Her name is Sonia and I cannot remember her last name, but she's this big intuition person. And anyway, she talks about viewing your ego like a dog. And it's a barking dog and I think she's so right about that like that. comparison because if we be friends, listen, I love my dog. But you know, he's barking all the time. And he kind of had to sue them Be like, Listen, buddy, I hear you, the FedEx man is not dangerous. We're good. Thank you for the warning. And then you just move forward.

Yes.

You have to do with your ego.

It's true. It's exactly it befriend the ego, you know, you build relationship to the aspects that being, you know, and once we start to build relationship with their ego and relationship with their gifts and relationships, all of that we are, or then that's where we've kind of, we figured something out there. That's one of the keys I would say.

That's thriving.

Yeah.

That is actual thriving, let me tell you, when I started to lean into what my gifts were, you know, because people been built, and people are gonna always they have their own insecurities, they're gonna put things I had people tell me like, why are you quitting your job? You know, like, what, what are you gonna? Do? You know what, I'm not sure that this feels right for me. And I'm gonna tell you right now, I could not be happier with where I'm at. And, you know, I hope someone out there is like, it's the same thing. It's like, it took me listening to other people's stories and other people's courageous movements for me to make, you know, a step in that direction, because it's outside of what we're taught, which is, maybe if I don't stay in the line, maybe if I break out of the box, like maybe I won't die, maybe something will happen. That's great. And that's, you know, back to that curiosity. You know, it's just doing all that stuff.

I love it. I love it. And I, I commend you on allowing yourself to live courageously, because so many of us get stuck in the jobs or in the life that is robbing them of living?

Yes.

Right. And so they're just going through the motions, and they get stuck in that right in that belief system, and so many people are and that's okay.

Yes.

Eventually, eventually, it catches up with you, no matter how you do it, it catches up with you eventually. It does. So I think our invitation here is really for people to do a check in like, are you really living your best life? Are you really doing what you're being called to do? And if you're not, it might be worth taking the leap. And,

Yeah, here's my other thing. I'll tell you when you're living courageously, you never feel courageous. You just always feel afraid.

Or sacred there. By the way, you'll still be frickin scared. shitless.

Yeah, you know, I'm not gonna sit here and pretend like I'm like, Oh, I was so brave. You know, what was going through my head was an entire shitstorm of oh my god, this is so scary. Oh, my God, I'm gonna have no friends when I move. Oh, my God, like, what am I going to do for money? Oh, my God, what a man do for benefit?

Oh, yes.

That's what's running through my head. Now, that sounds terrible. But I will tell you also this the other things that go through my head is oh my god, what a beautiful, wonderful experience. This is Oh my god, I get to wake up and do the things that I want to do. I'm not on someone else's schedule. You know, like, so. We don't get up thinking we're gonna be courageous. And we often don't even view it as courageous. It takes, at least for me, for someone else to come and be like, Wow, that was so brave. That you went and did that by yourself. Because we're my head. I'm like, I'm scared.

Yeah, but you know, courage is, is having the fear and doing it anyway.

Yes, ma'am.

There we go.

Yes.

Here and do it anyway. You know, providing that it's not life or death, you guys. Okay. A little caveat there. She said on the podcast that I should jump off the cliff and I did. Yeah, no. Okay, maybe figuratively. Okay.

Yes. Yeah.

But anyways, oh my gosh. Like I said, we could keep this going. I know, I tried to wrap up and it just went on in this Nether ramble. But I just love spending this time with you. It's been so much fun. And I am so inspired by you and the work that you're doing and I hope others are inspired as well. And so where can people find you? If you you know, if someone's struggling with diabetes, or they know people who are or they're concerned about it, how can they reach you and what can we leave them with?

Yes, um, I offer a one hour free session just for a strategy session for the week. We all have you know, obstacles, but we can work on one specific obstacle and an hour to try to help you and I offer that with anyone that has pre diabetes or type two diabetes. You can find me and schedule it through the website, which is JelinaShahconsulting.com. I'm also on Facebook and Instagram at JelinaShahconsulting, you know, you can email me all of those things are available through the website or through Instagram. Our Facebook so

Amazing. And so we're gonna put that in the show notes, make sure that everyone has access to that information on the podcast as well. So folks, I hope you've loved listening in today. I know I've really enjoyed my time here. I hope you have as well. Dr. Jelina Shah, thank you so much for being with us today. It's been so great. Thank you, everyone for tuning in. I can't wait to be with you again next time. Bye for now.