Standing in Your Truth: The Power of Forgiveness

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Our guest today is Patrick Phillips. Patrick is a former family physician turned spiritual counselor who lost his medical license for his stance on COVID-19. After facing his seeming, worst nightmare, as his human life fell apart, he stumbled upon the inward path of forgiveness. Through meditation and studying A Course in Miracles, he was able to find true forgiveness, and a supernatural peace that does not depend on our outer circumstances. This is now what he aims to give back to others through spiritual counseling. I'm so excited to hear from Patrick today. And I hope that you'll find our conversation valuable on today's episode of in Spirit calls. Here we are, we're back on another episode, and you have just learned about our amazing guests. Patrick is here with us. Welcome, Patrick.

Thank you. It's a pleasure to be here.

You know, Patrick, you caught my eye because a friend of mine shared a video of yours on social media, the power of social media. And you know, I'm not a big person that spends a lot of time, you know, going through reels and all the TIC tock and all the things but, you know, something caught my eye. And as I listened to your story, I felt very moved. And I felt like this is a story that needs to be heard beyond what's been being heard in. So I wanted to just create this space, so that you could come on and share with all of us what you've been going through. And so why don't you start us off? Why don't you give us the backstory and what has happened to you so that we can all learn and be inspired? Would you start us off with that?

Definitely. Yeah. So it's quite a, it's been quite a wild ride, I would say over the last three years, I guess for my backstory. I'm a former physician. So I was I was a family doctor in northern Ontario, Canada. And I basically got caught up in coke. And I had a lot of things going on there. So I was just sort of run of the mill new new in practice family doctor. But through the course of the pandemic. I just started to catch on to some things that didn't quite sit right with me. And so some of them were like the harms of lockdowns, I started to see some of my patients that were coming into the emergency room who, who were being harmed by the lockdowns, whether it's Miss cancer diagnoses, a huge surge in suicidality and children. And basically, as well, just that, that what we're being told by public health, as far as to the danger of the outs, the virus, and the lack of knowledge around public health measures, like weight loss or other things in the size, like vitamin D, all of that wasn't lining up with what they were telling. Great. And so that was kind of that was distressing. I was seeing what was happening to our country, in Canada, like especially Ontario, where we went from what I perceived as a free country to basically a totalitarian dystopia where we weren't allowed to leave our homes. And people were becoming like my patients even were becoming suicidal sidled from all of that from the lock down and iteration. And so I was seeing all of that ghost in society at large and in my own practice, and, and so I felt compelled to sneak out to to say what I was seeing what I'm experiencing, and to put another side to that story, so that we could kind of come to some sanity maybe around some of these things. And so that's kind of what started me out, down a bit of a path. And that ultimately led to the loss of my medical license. But But yeah, so at that time, I was just kind of seeing injustice in the world and and it was causing a lot of pain and seating to be and, and so I decided to lay it all on the line and kind of take that step out. And I wasn't alone. There were other doctors who kind of joined in afterwards and others or healthcare care professionals. But But yeah, so I just kind of entered on that I would go to rallies, I would kind of encourage people I was I was giving people about like vaccine exemptions and things like that when I saw them being coerced into medical treatments the case what I'd like us to be relatively standard medical ethics, right that nobody should be coerced into a medical treatment. Anyway, all of that landed me in a lot of hot water. So they started an investigation into me and my medical license, they mentally restricted me, banned me from prescribing ivermectin, which, in my opinion, from what I saw was a life saving treatment to so many patients are rare I saw. And eventually, the leader suspended my license, and then just recently revoked it and June of this year.

And I lose a minute here, Patrick, because I just want people to understand the gravity of this for you. Because, you know, you went to school, you worked very hard to get your title. And I hear people all the time that say, No, I work too hard. For this degree, I need to stay with this job, even if it's sucking my soul. Because I put all this time in. Again, I so deeply admire and respect your willingness to stand guard and stand in your truth, because so many others would not do that, because they were afraid, because they would lose their livelihood that they had worked so hard to gain, and you put everything on the line. And that I think is just such a show of character. And we need more of that in this country in the world, for people to start letting go of that ego aspect, right of like, but you worked so hard for that, and you you're making money, and you have to stay doing it. Right? You are a testament to going against the grain. And I think it's important people know that you can do that. And you can serve on aid. So I just wanted to pause and celebrate you in that. Because I think it's very admirable. It's very courageous. And it reminds me a lot actually my first interview I did on when Spirit calls with with my friend Jamie Solei. And you might know Janie silay and Theo flurry, who are with Canadians for truth. And I don't know if you talk to them, but I'm going to hook you up if you don't know them. Because you you guys need to have a conversation, I think you will be excited to hear from you and connect with you. So anyway, that's a side note. But point being is yay, you Dr. Patrick Phillips, I'm still going to call you doctor even though you had to give that title up because you worked hard for that. But thank you, thank you for really stepping in. So that's what I needed to say there. And you can carry on now.

Yeah, so yeah. So I guess that's kind of one layer of a story that was happening at point. Yeah, which is Dr. Phillips, you know what I mean, see some injustice. recognizing it and stepping out to do something and putting everything on the line and and then the matrix come down to get its revenge, right army and then take and take me down. So that was one layer. But I would say, and I only recognize. I mean, I recognize a bit of it at the time. But I realized there was another layer to this story that that really started to shine through. And that was on the spiritual level. So I'm somebody. I mean, I grew up Catholic. Yeah. And that was for me, it was I got very into it, at one point even entered the seminary when I was a teenager and stuff. But for the most part, my experience of that undecided race experience, but was one of intense guilt, guilt down to like, everything else.

I have. I'm still working on all this false guilt and carrying Yeah,

Wipe it clean, right? Yeah, yeah.

And take away all your hope of finding some sort of a peace in the world, right? The world changing in any way that you want it to look. And one, when that happens, it's crazy. It's like, when that you takes away all of your hope in the world. In that moment, it can be feel like suicide, right? Because you feel like there's ghosts, you want to get out of here. And it's in that moment of giving up on the world, that that crack opens, right, that you stop trying to find the peace on the outside and you start you, you're open to finding it on the inside. And so that really was what's and that didn't happen, like at the end, but it was something that just started to develop, and grow, I would say over the last two years. And it's been really transformative. It's usually like in small steps. But then there were a few that really, really pulled us through in a big way. And one was me finding the Course in Miracles. I'd never heard of it before. But I was following Dr. David Hawkins and some other spiritual teachers, but he mentioned the, the, the Course in Miracles, right as the path of enlightenment, like, what is this this course in miracles? And it was a, it's a it's a, an intense text. At first, when I read it, too, I had a bit of a revulsion for it, because I was not at all open to Christianity. Like, like, Ryan, I was like, no, like, that was my that was the world of guilt to me writing. But I decided to kind of look past that a little bit to, to find, okay, what's the message here? And, and that was? Yeah, really incredible. It was it. I found the way I described it to people, the course. If you're coming from any other tradition, like meditation, I find if you meditate, if you sit in your pain, if you sit in your experience long enough, what often happens is a shift will happen in your life. Where like, the pain will reset, like and oneness, a peaceful kind of come through. That often takes quite a bit of sitting up to sit in that pain for quite a bit. Open yourself in order for that.

Yeah. And who would be wants to do that? Nothing. Right.

I know. Yeah, I know. It's, it's hard. But what I found is the course. So often, that's kind of the thing like, pain, sit in the pain, meditate, and then spiritual truth comes in, that gives a new perspective that relieves the pain, right? Yeah, what I found the Course in Miracles really does is it brings that spiritual truth in first, right? So you sit in the I still sit in the pain, but I bring that spiritual truth into the meditation. And it's like, it's like a shortcut, right? It allows it to come in sooner healing to come in, right, so. So I don't find that the course is not the only way for anybody to find, like, there's so many ways to do it. But I found that's what the course really does, like the truths that are in it, like, you can bring that in to, to your pain, you can't just absorb it by reading it, it's knowledge it's experienced, right?

Right, we have to be willing to apply it right. And that sounds to me like that's what you were able to do is take the information be open enough to receiving the information, and then you were able to actually apply it. And that's exactly what's so beautiful about having these tools, you know, whether it's A Course in Miracles, whether it's, you know, a metaphysical degree, or whatever it is, the concepts are all there to help us alchemize the energy faster. And so rather than sitting in having that long duration of pain and discomfort waiting to happen, and now we actually get to take our power back and have some sort of experience where we can expedite the process and amplify the process so that we can move through it quicker, be in less pain, and we can get the value that was there for us in the first place. So love I love that you experienced that. And is that there was oh wait, okay, if that happened in meditation, well what if I add this tool? And look at that so you uncovered something for yourself which is great.

Yeah. Yeah. So it's been a very powerful like a lot of the lessons are, have been extremely healing in my life and a real Really the like the core practice really is one of forgiveness, which is not the typical form of forgiveness that people think of right, which is kind of, I saw what you did, but I know look the other way, because I'm a good person, you know, and that will will kind of put this passes. But I know, I know what you did. Yeah, that's the typical forgiveness, right. And a lot of people have a lot of revulsion towards that, like sometimes, like when a kid has kind of forsake your story, right? You know, right. But the forgiveness of the course is not that at all, it is a radical transformation of your perspective on yourself, other and the world, that allows you to see that no harm was ever done in the first place. Only blessing, right? And so when you can see that with your own eyes, you don't have to start yet you don't it's not a thing to do. Right. It's just, it's clear, you see it the truth, right. And, and, and that's really kind of what came through with myself and the call mentioned the government and things like that, like that. I was able to do that, and see the truth, right, that they were they were there they came in to make my lighthouse in order to point me in where to find the peace that can never be taken away. And once I saw that, you can't unsee it right. And when you really feel it, you've not just believe it, right? You feel in it. Yeah, I now have gratitude for the college for taking away my license for dragging my name through the mud and all of those things, right? As if they brought up all those things for me to be healed to be guilt in my heart, and bring me to a place again, where I can be a healer again, because over the last few years, when you're living in that resentment, even if you feel like it's justified, like you're a freedom fighter, I need to do this to write things right? You know, why you're still living in that making the world changing the world in order to keep knocking sorry, rather than, but the real approach like to be healer, right is to find the peace inside and then bring that to the world. Right. And that's what that really allowed me to do, which is incredible, and kind of exciting that it freed me up to be in be able to do something new.

I love. I keep saying I love this. But I do I love the path that you went on and being so courageous and going through how but then taking that and turning it into gold. Because now you're doing what your divine purpose really always wanted you to do as a healer, you're just doing it in a different way than you thought you were supposed to. And so this is the epitome of when Spirit calls, because Spirit call to spirit said, Hey, this is what's happening, hey, you're not going to win any of these cases. What are you going to do this, right? And it's so interesting to me, because, you know, from a young age where we are conditioned, you know, do unto others as you would want done unto yourself. But the real truth is that when we love others, when we have gratitude for others, when we forgive others, we're doing all of that to ourselves. So the resentment and the anger that you were pushing against the college or whomever the Dark Beast was right in that experience. Oh, that resentment was just boomeranging back to you. And so is keeping you playing in the cesspool, you know, and a lot of people forget that they they get vengeful, they want, they want to make it clear that they want that person to know the real truth, you know, and we get so wrapped in that, that we don't realize that what we really need is love what we really needed to compassion, what we really need is forgiveness, because that is what's going to come back to us. So, you know, you were a perfect example of how again, back to the alchemy of things, you were able to take that experience that in the moment felt horrific. And you were able to say what did I get out of this wait a second, I got a new pathway, I got my own sense of freedom, and I got peace that I never had inside myself before. What a gift. Right? So well done to you. I honor you i I celebrate that in you. I wanted to talk about a few other things that you mentioned because you talked about that you don't believe in God but you know God and I find that really compelling because oftentimes they oh I believe in God and I don't think much of it. But I know God I have a relationship with God and in particular the relationship with it within myself of God that exists right my God Self is what is doing the work right now my God Self is what carries me through the day. So can you explain kind of that shift in perspective about knowing God versus believing God?

Yeah, so I mean, growing up, like I said, Catholicism or whatever, what least my experience of it Yeah, it was very much a belief in a man in the sky who charged me for all my sins. And I need to condemn me to hell unless I got to confession at time, you know, scoring i in the car on the way there. Right,

Right. Or we had to like wallow in guilt and the shame because that was like, part of our penance. You know? Oh, yeah.

Yeah. So, so yeah, that was kind of my experience. And then I realized I talked to God, I prayed back then. But I, what I realized is that prayer did not make me feel more leverage, you know, it was actually bringing me to a darker place and got me even more depressed. Because like, because the voice inside my head, right, that I was hearing was myself. Right. And it was not a loving. And that, like I said, that was my experience. Like, you can be Catholic and experience God and Catholics. Absolutely. And I'm not this I'm not good at taking on Catholicism itself, necessarily. But yeah, but it was. Yeah. So it was a belief and it was making me feel awful. And, and so I decided, okay, well, kind of came to me actually thought like, Oh, you're just you just believe in this because you keep repeating it to yourself. So I decided, okay, well, I'm gonna stop repeating myself just stopped going to church. And that kind of faded away. And ironically, actually, what I would say was my first experience of God came a couple years after that actually came on on psychedelics, I tried shrooms for the first time. And I just had this who I am who I thought I was kind of disappeared, and I kind of moved up into this space kind of above myself, where I saw myself as the observer of everything going on, and the SEC kind of laugh at all my worries, and all of those things. But I weirdly, I thought I died. I thought, I'm disappear. So I, I lost all conception of, of time. And so I thought, This is it, you know, I'm gone, Patrick's gone, like, you know, I died, or at least I went crazy yet or something. And, but in that, I had this sense, a piece of everything is perfectly okay, exactly as it is that I felt like I was sustained by something like some there's some creator, you know, that was there. And I sensed that and, and so okay. And so at that point, I became, okay, I'm not an atheist. There's something there, you know, and so, and that kind of that stayed with me for a while kind of meditative practice. And then that kind of fell away after a few years. And I don't necessarily recommend shrooms as a way to become an Reagan's. Because honestly, it stopped working after that this and nobody I knew who did them had that experience. Yeah. So it's not the path necessarily candy. Yeah, yeah. Lots of people. It's not a ticket to oneness.

Yeah, it takes more than that. And I know a lot of people will use Ayahuasca as well as just the as, like, just the opening, right? So do you see the opening? So, you know, in your process, you had that experience? And so then you started just leaning into being more open to that connection with God? Is that kind of how it went down?

Yeah, I mean, you kind of went away for a few years. And then afterwards, yeah, then I, I did things like psychotherapy and things like that, like really was all about kind of fixing the pain that I had inside of me. Want but yeah, then it moves much more inward. But there was a knowing that pieces there like that, that, that maybe it's the truth of what we are. And that's what really started, it was kind of something I dabbled in. And then over the last three years. I was kind of forced into it. And the WHA Right, right from the pain the hell, you know, and then avec. But what I've felt when you have that oneness experience that peace, the bliss that comes in, get ready, because your life is about to become helped it just now, in some ways, because when you're ready for it, yeah, the Work Path is gonna fall apart. Yeah. And it means that you're ready and so yeah, it's called the dark night of the soul or the dark night of ego or whatever, but all your values everything that you thought was important to the world when you're ready, it's gonna it's gonna Yeah, and, and that is the path inward, but it is where you find this piece that far outweighs anything that you could possibly find in the world,

Right, yeah. We realized that we were so lost in this outside world or this extrinsic world. And really, none of it matters, right? What matters in year what matters is this relationship with self and with God, however you perceive God. And I want to just bring this up for our listeners because, you know, we can define God as you know, creator universe, Source Energy, whatever you want. Like my friend Glenda calls it Gus God universe source, which I really love. I think it's fun. It's Gus, but really this is about us, redefining what is God for us, because many of us were raised in these guilt conscious type of environments and the judgment. And the opposite of that, you know, it's not judgment day, it's compassion day that's coming. You know, it's, we're starting to recognize that wait a second, I don't need to fit in that box, or I don't need to believe what that what that story was, I get to decide it for myself. Yeah. So to me, it sounds like you redefined that relationship. And so our listeners, I want to remind you, if you haven't redefined your relationship with God or creator sin, great opportunity to look at that. If your belief, if your knowing about God or creator is serving you fantastic heap, that belief is not serving you, then there's an opportunity for you to go back, I redefine what that looks like. So that is a really important step. I think for people that are starting to lean in, or they've been going through this spiritual process for a while or awakening, if you will. And they're kind of at odds with what do I believe? Do I believe in that man in the sky? Or what does that mean? So redefine? Yeah, okay. Just wanted to share that. Can we talk a little bit about the guilt? How did you get rid of the guilt? I'm just curious, because, you know, you're not the only one that has been moving through that. And I'd like to know if you were able to move that.

Yeah, so So that's a really good question, actually. Because one thing that I found that was very ironic little bit and I'm still kind of in this discovery process, but as you start to awaken, like you have this spiritual awakening to oneness, love and the truth of what we are, right, our egos, actually, it works like snow was one thing that I found. So the guilt, the guilt, that the vengeance, the anger. That was one thing I didn't really mentioned before is that when part of my forgiveness process of the college was I had to see within myself, how much I hated them. I hated their guts. I wanted them to die rot in jail, to maybe they should get some medical experimentation on them, right like that. Yeah, yeah, I thought against that a lot. Because the guilt or whatever, or I wanted to deny that, that that was what my girls wanted. I could forgive them until I saw it within myself. And when that happened, I could be like, Oh, wow, this ego thing like is mine is just as bad as theirs. If I want to control RAM, I want to be their tire. Right? You know, they deserve it.

Or what a great meet you Yeah.

So I couldn't forgive them. And that's what I realized, kept me in for a very long time was had to be able to see it that Patrick is this nasty, guilt ridden blame read errs. Right. And so just as much as they are, and so the truth of them is that they're not that but neither am I. But that's right. So the guilt, I would say is inherent in this guilt is inherent in if we see ourselves as separate from others from separate from God separate from oneness, the guilt of that. That's the original sin right off of believing that we can be separate from God. It's all a lie. Yeah, to drink. It's a nightmare that we're having. Yeah. But inherent in that is this intense, awful guilt like this, this guilt. And it is, it is at the root of separation and seeing ourselves as in this world. And so, what I've noticed is that as I've healed and tuned in more to the love and the peace and the oneness, I'm starting to see more of this guilt. And the awfulness of ego, you know, and so, what I found is the guilt got worse. And they ought to get these like this murderous rage within me that will come up over little slights, right, because as you're getting closer to that point of seeing through the separation, yeah, the ego starts to lash out in bow.

So hold on, right. control

about murderous rage to the horrifying guilt, right? Comes out more and more, but that's actually a sign of progress. Because you're seeing it's no longer hidden in the world yet or see it within yourself. And so, ironically, what you can find is as you're progressing in a spiritual path and getting closer there, the same time your ego might get worse, right? You see this or this or of buying guilts or, or this murderous rage within you. And that's good, and you're seeing it and then eventually, what will happen is as you see it, see how awful it is and miserable it is. And eventually when you see it and up you make that final decision to be like five minutes why Modi? Right. So but so that Truth of the world of separation all of this, we make up this, okay, that has these nice things in the world. There's beauty. But there's also, you know, a really hidden in all of it if we believe we're separate, is this gilded this horrible ego self that is never can never be happy. And so as you're getting closer, you start to see that and you see how awful it is in your ego. And then eventually we make that decision of being like we see the truth. And it's like, no, I'm choosing peace. I'm choosing love. And I'm letting go of Patrick.

Yes, Yes. And we can call that even the ego death, you talked about the dark night of the soul, some people call it ego death. And it doesn't mean the ego goes away completely. We need our ego as human beings, we need that aspect of our beingness. But we are not our ego. And I encourage my clients to really separate themselves from their ego. So they see their ego, they even give their ego a name. Mine's name is Jane. And I say, oh, Jane, you're popping up again, thanks so much. But I got this, you know. And so we make it this exchange, we build a relationship to ego and it stops having that power over us that it once had before, but you caught it right there, see it, if you can observe the ego, and you can see what it's doing. You've, you're already 90% of the way there, because you missed it. And if you can witness it, it means that you've got your, you know, your finger on it. And now you just have to make a decision of what to do with it. Right. So that's brilliant. And you talk about oneness quite a bit. Can you share with us, you know, what are a few things maybe from the Course in Miracles that you learned that were really impactful for you that just changed the game, because I want our audience who are listening that are like, Oh, my God, they went through whatever experience I would love to know what those those key pieces are.

Yeah, so one of the most powerful practices that I would say is the most healing for me in the course, like it's full of there's 365 lessons and right plus the next one, but, but one of them was this practice called Give me your blessing, Holy Son of God. And so, in that practice, what you do is in a meditative state, you tune into your body, be calm into the present moment, feel whatever you're feeling inside, and close your eyes and bring up your end and college for me, I would use like Justin Trudeau, you know, right, careening Ontario, we, you know, I'm Klaus Schwab, those people, right? And you bring them up in your mind, you look at them, you see their details, you might even just recall some of them saying things like, you know, they're the most nasty things that they do or whatever. And you look past them. So you kind of allowed us eager to be there just kind of fade and we look past them, to their soul to their their consciousness, their their soul that is one with God, and you look at them. And I say a few like there's few things, there's two practices, one of them, give me your blessing all the Son of God and I would say that to Justin Trudeau, like to his true self like who he is. And one list odd perfectly innocent. And ask for that blessing and you have to allow this come up and then know what it feels like my ego like wrenching like, oh my god, like know what the hell he to disguise like a demon out there. So that we will be on the Eco do but I would allow myself to kind of see that and do as you feel the blessing from this person, come into your heart and you feel the love, unconditional love coming from that person who they really are, and their blessing coming to you. And we'll seal it. And it's like, you can feel it in your heart. And as you do that your ego is kind of writhing, you know, beneath, but it starts to fade and eventually, like the love from your enemy, or whatever is coming through and you just feel it and it's like, whoa, and then slowly the ego part starts to fade and like, and that was one of the most powerful things that did with like Chrystia Freeland and all these political figures, political figures are big ones, right, that we

that's, and yeah, you know, we forget that they're human too, and that they're doing the best that they can, you know, and everyone's doing the best they can. And that was a really tough one for me to wrap my head around because I was like, no, they're not like they can do better. But then, oh times in my life. I'm like, Well, no, I didn't make the best decision at that time with the information I had. Even though I might do it different today. Right. And that bit of compassion and grace that we extend is like magic. Right? So I love that. I love that any more goodies.

Yeah, that was a big one. That's yeah, I mean, there's there's so many there. So another one is that I use every day really is a never upset for the reason I think. And so this is a really powerful practice that allows us choo choo really let go of some upsets, because from every little upset you like somebody cutting you off in traffic up to sexual abuse or whatever that happened to you. The truth is that time is that the way we see the world is not the way the world really works. And so what we think is that things happen to us in our life, and we feel upset about, right that anger comes on, or guilt or sadness from the loss of someone or something, when we think that the event caused the sadness, right. But the truth is, is that the upset came first, the upset actually all upset already in the original separation, that all upsets come from identifying as an ego. And so when you go to those upsets that come and you allow them, you have to feel about right, but you just bring into your mind, I'm never upset in the reason I think I'm not angry, because that person cut me off in traffic, and you drop the story about it. And that won't necessarily drop the ad right away. Sometimes it does. Sometimes it actually makes it worse, because you tune into not just that little bit of irritation, but you realize that little bit of irritation is just a representation of the rage that I feel inside. Ego separation, right? And so as you're able to do that, and bring those in, drop the story about them and get into the feelings themselves. That's where healing can happen at a deep level. And you're not just forgiving that person to cut you off in traffic, but you're forgiving at deep wound that has been in you that caused actually that person to call you off in traffic. Yeah. We're deeply powerful. We are. Yes, right. And so, so the truth of the world is that the feelings always come first. So we create the world to justify to project our feelings out there. So if we bring the feelings in and realize I'm not upset for the reason, I think the upset came first. And so if you can, you can experience that when you sit with it long enough, this will feel true. And you'll realize that cause and effect are the opposite of what they are. And that was how I was able to heal so much childhood trauma, myself, because I realized, okay, I create time and space are not what they seem like time and space, or they're a creation of the ego, right. And so what I realized is things upsets and everything I created that world to, to justify these feelings. But if you can open yourself up to the feelings and see through them through forgiveness, you realize that I created my childhood trauma. Like I chose, I chose my parents, I got that inside, I chose my parents, wow. And my condition here was to, to bring healing to my parents, right. And so and so that my mission is forgiveness, right. And it caused this big reversal in my mind of like, I'm here to give lots to, to all to my parents to whatever through healing and forgiveness and I let go of that idea that my parents had to be somebody took care of me and all of that resentment, because they weren't, what I needed, or what I thought I needed right from. But anyway, by just going to that one practice of a never upset for the reason I think it opens your mind to a deeper layer to all of our upsets, and can heal them at that deep layer, then the new interpretation of forgiving eyes can reinterpret all of what you seem to undergo, and you can see it in a loving light where you can actually have gratitude for all of the horrible things that happened.

Yes. And you know, it goes back to that saying everything happens for us, not to us, right. And for the people that are listening, that maybe are still going through some trauma, we're not saying that you are responsible for the experience necessarily that you had, but you are responsible for how you respond to it. And you're responsible for remembering that there's way more pieces to this puzzle that you did choose that experience on some level, not consciously, but on a subconscious deeper level. You need that experience to learn something to do something to inspire someone, whatever the reason is, we don't always know. But our job is to go back to trust. Right to that deep sense of trust. I love this one. I am never upset for the reason I think I am. And I think that's just a powerful tool that you gave us and of course the idea when we're angry at someone or mad at someone or we have want to get vengeance on somebody to hold them in a high regard to see their souls and not the person we think they are. But To see their souls and recognize that most people who are doing things that are hurtful that we perceive as hurtful are likely also in a place of despair. And then to see compassion for those people, those are powerful, powerful ones. Oh my gosh, time has just flown by Patrick. I feel like so filled up with this conversation. But I'm so grateful for it. And I know that our listeners needed to hear some aspect of the conversation we have today, if not all of it. So thank you so much for taking the time to be with someone Spirit calls. I'm so glad spirit call to. And, you know, come on. Yeah, yeah. And now everybody, Patrick is helping to counsel other people. And he talked about part of his mission being forgiveness, and what a wonderful gift to share that with the world hattrick Can you tell us how we can find you or what you'd like us to do moving forward?

Yeah, so so if you feel like you want some extra guidance, in, of course, miracles or other spiritual practices to reach self forgiveness, to heal that pain on the inside, then, and you want some guidance from me, I'd be more than happy to be a guide for you. So you can find me at my website, Patrickphillipscounselling.com, it's pay as you can. So whatever you can afford, and you can book a scheduled scheduled appointment yourself online, anytime. And we'd love to meet some of you guys and kind of be on this journey together.

Oh, you're such a blessed soul. Thank you so much for pouring your love and your energy into this entire experience. I can feel it. And thank you, thank you for speaking your truth and walking the talk. So that you know we have permission to do the same thing. Because sometimes we just need someone to show us that it's possible. And it sure is possible. So Patrick, thank you so much for being on the show. We will put those links in the show notes for you folks. So you will have that they're accessible to you. And you know where to find Patrick moving forward. Again, thank you so much, you guys. It's been so fun on another episode of when Spirit calls can't wait to be with you next time. We'll be with you soon. Bye for now.

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